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Green/Grey glazed Gingers

Posted By WTVTA 11/19/2015 9:31:09 PM
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 Posted 11/19/2015 9:31:09 PM
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Hi - just a question maybe someone can answer.

I'm interested in those green/grey glazed gingers (and porters) that were made from c. 1850 to the 1870s. (They're a similar colour to the slab seal bottles.) Does anyone know exactly where they were made? Derek Askey's book doesn't say that much about them. They often have a bit of a brown salt glaze just around the base.

Someone said I should ask Ian Whittaker...

Thanks,
Tom
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 Posted 11/19/2015 11:13:46 PM
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THINK THERE WAS A POTTERY IN LANCASHIRE THAT MADE A LOT OF THE SLAB SEALED GINGERS. I THINK I REMEMBER READING THAT BUT I STAND TO BE CORRECTED. ALSO THINK SOME OF THE DERBYSHIRE/NOTTINGHAMSHIRE POTTERIES PRODUCED THAT GLAZE.
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 Posted 11/19/2015 11:14:50 PM
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Thats an excellent question.... Dont really see that glaze on much else and I cant say Ive ever seen makers marks. Ian would be a good man to ask!
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I heard my name :-)

A lot (well over half) of the grey green glaze porters & ginger beers - both slab sealed & non-slabbed came from potteries in the Chesterfield area & in my opinion, the majority of them were from Oldfields. A few forum members (inc me) were lucky enough to dig on the Oldfields site in Chesterfield when it was redeveloped & an Asda put on it.


A few slabbers came off- including Taylors, Manchester Veterinary pots & bottles, Dabells slab seals, a rare J Morl from Yarmouth & some ribbed necked flasks too. There were also quite a lot of impressed bottles, 2 tone bird feeders & also a lot of the impressed gingers you get from earlyish Manchester sites.

There are also a handful of slab sealed flasks with an Oldfield pottery mark - by comparing similarities between the seals on these & other bottles, it's pretty clear that the vast majority of the 'normal' slabbers are indeed Oldfield. There are examples from other companies as some bottles do look consistently different (e.g. the Malton slab sealed porters), however these are very rarely pottery marked.

The Lancashire type slab sealed gingers are almost certainly from a different pottery, assumed to be in the Lancashire area. I recall an article on these in one of the BBR mags, but can't remember if a specific pottery was named.


Ian Whittaker
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I'll concur with Ian, the worlds 'slab seal' guru.

The Lancashire porters & slab seals are a different clay and quite distinctly different glaze to the grey green slip glaze pieces found "this side of the hill.".

Roy Morgan discovered a fragment of an Oldfields promotional leaflet (can't recall which BBR that appeared in - anyone help?).

So far the Chesterfield grey green slip glaze has not been firmly linked to any other manufacturer, so for the mo' we presume they are all from Oldfields.


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 Posted 11/20/2015 9:07:26 AM
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An excellent post - Ian's knowledge especially first hand digging at the actual Oldfield pottery tip is invaluable - someone needs to record this and add it to a book or something before it disappears...perhaps an updated article in BBR? I have quite a few Liverpool slabs and gingers in this grey-green slip glaze (which I love) so happy to contribute.

I also have around 12 paddled flat impressed Liverpool flasks and it's clear from the impressed letters that many were made using the same letter sets although a few of the earlier examples are different. Early Manchester gbs are cast aside with little regard whilst in Liverpool the few impressed examples are highly cherished (OK, by me) as the age and character of these bottles are historically significant. Many made as Liverpool's fields and dirt track roads were being replaced by major thorough-fares and grand civic buildings.


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Hi Ian , long time no see , what happened to the J Morl ??? , I once saw a crate with 14 necked Morls and 8 minters w00tw00t , all out of the dykes WhistlingWhistlingNot seen one since then ?? , approx 1980

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About time we covered Liverpool Bob…. will leave it with you?

Meanwhile surely you or Ian W can recall what issue that famed bit of Oldfield leaflet was in - need to dig it out?


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Glad that smoked you out Ian - and thanks for the reply. That's really helpful. One or two Norfolk firms, including Elijah Eyre of Kings Lynn, were using grey-green gingers in the 1870s (though not slabs - theirs are simply impressed). None of the non-slab grey/green gingers or porters seems to have a pottery mark.
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 Posted 11/21/2015 11:02:15 AM
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I've had a few flasks porters gingers in the green grey glaze not seen any with a maker's mark love how tactile and crude they look also had a couple from Halifax tips

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